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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.26 20:52:00 -
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Sorry, not going to fly a bil isk ship if it doesn't tank like one. To reduce a T3's tank to something on par with a ship you can buy & fit for less than 300mil and in many cases less than 100mil is just ridiculous. HTFU!...for the children! |

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.26 23:06:00 -
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Ayeson wrote::not arguing:
Command ships do great DPS currently, and I don't think they're going to lose much of that capability, especially with some of the changes on the horizon.
I just don't think CCP/Fozzie will re-balance the T3's in a way that make them a subpar DPS boat to a Command Ship, especially when it seems like CCP is trying to fix command ships and slot them back into the boosting role that was usurped by the T3's. Why would they go ahead and fix that problem, but in doing so create the inverse of that exact same situation? I don't see it happening that way, but I may be wrong.
While I would like to have faith in what you're saying my faith in CCP is so damage by previous examples of fail that I wouldn't bet 1 isk that they don't go overboard and make T3's only slightly desirable as a status symbol and little else. *shrugs*
HTFU!...for the children! |

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.27 02:48:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Stuff
So what you're saying is, any income level capable of fielding bling ships that rival null's ability to field them should therefore have those ships nerf making the income from w-space ultimately pointless?
HTFU!...for the children! |

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.01 16:20:00 -
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The fact is, T3's are the only viable combat ship in w-space given it's no-local nature. No local means clandestine fleets. Clandestine fleets mean getting cloaky ships out of the support role that every T2 capable of cloaking and warping fills. Without cloaky T3's capable of projecting DPS on par with non-cloaky cruisers and surviving being primary for more than 2 seconds there is little role for them in w-space because they're too expensive. Even with price drops due to lack of demand, there would be little reason to use them.
This isn't null where sizeable non-cloaky dps fleets rely on their tactical bm's around gates that never move to maneuver untouched. I'm not going to spend additional time setting up these tacticals every day, several times a day on top of the time I spend probing out every w-space system I come across. W-space time sinks are already ridiculous!
My cloaky Proteus flys like a BS. It's only slightly faster with slightly better align time. Compared to other cruisers its speed and align are pss poor. With an optimal of about 5KM that doesn't give me much range to maneuver. The only thing going for it is DPS & tank. I put a lot of isk beyond the hull and subs to get it where it is. If dps, tank & speed are nerfed I wouldn't fly it because I could fill its roll with an Arazu and a Deimos.
Fozzie can say what he likes. He's in the position to do so. But, nerfing T3's without compensating w-space because of what's happening in null is BS. If there is truly a need to balance T3's because of null then something needs to be given to w-space to fill that gap. How about an effect applied to the whole of w-space that affects only cov-ops subsystem applying bonus' to dps, tank, speed?
HTFU!...for the children! |

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.01 21:57:00 -
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Incindir Mauser wrote:
From a conversation I had on comms last night sometime in the past it was the intention that W-space dwellers wouldn't live out of PoSes but be nomadic with some kind of mothership that we all used as a mobile fortress station. (That's no moon!)
I've heard this rumor from other players too. I've also heard CCP saying that w-space was intended for nomadic existence, a couple of fanfests ago, I think. But I've never seen anything before that about a nomadic existence. And yet, how do you explain C6 -> C6, C5 -> C5, C4->C4 and all the variations between that lead to no where but more w-space requiring days in some cases to find a route out coupled with the resources requires to farm some of these systems plus escalations and w-space's utter dependence on k-space. I call bullsht!
That CCP has said it years after w-space's birth and that players continue to point to that CCP intention is highly disturbing. W-space was not and never will be, without radical changes, a nomadic existence.
It'd be one thing if the systems didn't require huge investments in resources and w-space was completely independent of k-space except to bring items to market. If I could get lost and exist in w-space and never have to see k-space, sure I'd buy it. But it's not. And so....bullsht!
That rumor needs to be put down at every opportunity!!! HTFU!...for the children! |
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